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Mais mais mais c'est mon STX 2014???? lol

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Ce que je voulais dire c'est qu'ils ont changé quasiment toutes les pièces. Les plaques oui merci j'avais pas bien vu.

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Mais mais mais c'est mon STX 2014???? lol

En même temps, il fallait s'y attendre, ils n'ont déjà pas fait dans l'originalité avec la première version en pompant les idées d'autres châssis (Aweso et WRC) en y faisant de petites adaptations pour faire croire que "en fait, c'étaient des idées originales propres à eux, développées et validées avec succès par leurs soins", alors la version updatée suit le même chemin (je suis presque déçu de ne pas voir un FFG à l'avant, tiens!) (là je fais ma mauvaise langue) :grin:

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Moi je pense que c'est plus le système de biellettes "molles" pour amortir le chocs sur les fusées avant qui manquent ^^

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En même temps, il fallait s'y attendre, ils n'ont déjà pas fait dans l'originalité avec la première version en pompant les idées d'autres châssis (Aweso et WRC) en y faisant de petites adaptations pour faire croire que "en fait, c'étaient des idées originales propres à eux, développées et validées avec succès par leurs soins", alors la version updatée suit le même chemin (je suis presque déçu de ne pas voir un FFG à l'avant, tiens!) (là je fais ma mauvaise langue) :grin:

on le sais bien g-rem il n'y a que awesomatix qui est génial,je vois même pas ,pourquoi tu t'interesse encore au post schum puisque c'est a chaque fois pareil,il ne font rien de bien

loic

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Roooh Lolo, faut pas prendre la mouche comme ça (et pareil sur le poste de Battle, il ne faudrait pas que les modo devienne la gestapo, on n'a quasi plus le droit de rien dire ici sans risquer de voir le poste fermer, ça met un peu de vie de temps en temps les polémiques et les petites piques, tant que ça reste courtois...).

N'empêche, si ce n'était pas vrai ce que je dis plus haut, tu ne réagirais pas comme ça :P

(puis je n'ai jamais dit qu'il n'y avait que l'Aweso qui était génial, moi je trouve ça bien que d'autres fabricants essayent de sortir un peu des sentiers battus pour proposer des trucs originaux, mais là faut avouer que pour certains trucs, c'est du bête recopiage, pas digne de Schum du tout ça...).

Sur ce, sans rancune aucune :kiss:

G-rem

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N'ayant peu de temps à consacrer, voici tous les détails de la Mi5 evo reçu de notre partenaire Schumacher hier :

The Mi5evo from Schumacher is an entirely new Competition Touring Car developed from the BRCA National Championship winning and popular Mi5 platform.

Superbly engineered and equipped with some revolutionary design features, the Mi5evo enables the racer even more tunability for both carpet and asphalt tracks.

So far this year the car has taken 1st place @ BRCA Clubmans West London, 2nd & 3rd places @ BRCA Nationals West London, 1st Place @ BTCC Halifax, 5th Place @ ETS R4 Stock, 1st and 2nd place BRCA Halifax, 1st & 2nd BTCC Stafford, 3rd ETS Rd5 Stock....so far so good!!!

The Mi5evo has an ultra low centre of gravity which gives the car fantastic corner speed. This combined with a wider span vertical top deck offers both a responsive and nimble feel, yet is forgiving and consistent to drive. Ideal for all levels of driver.

Lighter than the Mi5, yet even more robust and durable, the Mi5evo chassis offers an extremely wide window of set up. With a host significant changes such as, optimised motor position 4.5mm closer to centreline, shorter shocks but with the same stroke, new steering system with tuneable ackerman options, new mouldings and pins for lower un-sprung weight and revised body posts and clamps, to name but a few!

The Schumacher Mi5evo..... Race Winning Innovation!

NEW Motor Mount moves motor in 4.50mm for more centralised weight distribution and better balance.

NEW light weight single piece, centrally mounted, alloy & carbon fibre CNC servo and steering mount, for maximum stiffness in the steering system, and minimal impact on chassis flex.

NEW Ultra lightweight alloy transmission housing with ball stud mounting for low centre of gravity, ease of adjustment and narrow pitch mounting for less overhang.

NEW Light weight wishbone ends with moulded roll bar ball, 35% lighter.

NEW Shorter Shocks with no loss of stroke for ultra-low centre of gravity.

NEW Simple 3 point mounted ball raced steering rack for super smooth linear steering. Features forward facing balls for easy Ackerman adjustment and adjustable travel stops.

NEW vertically mounted, wide span top deck offers increased stiffness whilst keeping super linear flex characteristics.

NEW 1mm wider Alloy rear hex.

NEW Hubs with grub screw secured pins, no more e-clips.

NEW Ultra fine adjustment eccentrics for optimum belt tension.

NEW Stiff 4mm shock towers with optimised shock positions.

NEW Lightweight 2.50mm hinge pins

NEW ultra hard wearing black ball cup design with adjustment hole.

NEW Lighter CNC alloy 20 tooth layshaft pulley and end cap for less rotating mass.

NEW Vernier adjusted wishbone inserts to remove play and o-ring secured for easy replacement.

NEW Body post and alloy clamp design for increased durability and ultra fine adjustability.

NEW anti roll bars in 0.1mm increments with laser engraving.

NEW Ball mounted 2 piece shock cap for easier building, maintenance, vented option and lighter weight.

NEW Ultra smooth PTFE impregnated Hard Anodised threaded alloy shock absorbers for extreme smoothness and durability.

NEW wide span carbon fibre wishbones for improved stiffness & strength.

Adjustable front steering hubs with optional carbon fibre parts.

“O” ring retained alloy wheel hexes.

Micro 4 degree caster pivot gives super low centre of gravity and super smooth ball raced steering action with optional 6 degree available.

Top adjustable lightweight roll bar sockets and links.

Quick release front and rear entry diffs to leave chassis structure intact when removing diffs for maintenance.

Ultra lightweight front spool.

K148 - Mi5evo - Pro C/F - 1/10 EP Touring Kit

K150 - Mi5evo - Pro C/F - 1/10 EP Assembled

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http://www.petitrc.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=319

Setups > http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/schum/setupmi5/MI5Evo/

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Mi5evo – new car thirlls!

Last week Schumacher announced the release of the Mi5evo, the next racer to come out of the UK stable. Don’t be fooled by the name, it is pretty much a brand new car, with only really some of the drivetrain parts carrying over from the Mi5. Overall, it pretty much meets what I’ve been told, of lighter, lower and stiffer.

Has a lot of nice details on it, particularly liking the more conventional camber link mounts, the new shock tops (ball joints, YES!), and the even easier diff access.

thard

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So my build is done... and have to say been very impressed.

Quality has taken a real step forward. In particular, the plastics are much improved, both from a fit/finsh side, and the design of some of the parts, such as the wishbone ends.

In particular the new ball cups are much improved in consistency between cup to cup. Pop on nice and tight, but still free. Also liking the moulded in anti-roll bar balls.

The shocks also stand out. Built totally dead, and every shock the same first time.. although only after ditching the kit o-rings (as usual). And ball joint tops....

I have been passed on a couple of tips on helping to free up the wishbone sockets (youtube video loading now), and look out for a blog post in a week or so, after I get to give it it's first run... but the list of build tips etc is pretty short at the moment (a good thing!).

Still, she be light... and I physically can't get the ESC any closer to the centre line, the belt gets in the way!!

Cheers

Ed

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And as a comparison, my Mi5 with same body tyres etc. So 20g lighter for the 5evo.

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Shock o-rings - Tamiya 42137 TRF Competition Shock O-rings Blue (8)

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Tite question aux possesseurs: Est-ce qu'avec cette fixation de triangles, la roue peut remonter plus haut que le chassis?

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Je viens de tester, en butée d'amortisseur, la roue dépasse d'à peu près 1mm du dessous du châssis ;) Donc oui elle remonte un peu au dessus. Pourquoi cette question ?

Je parle de la standard, pas de l'evo

Edited by TeamRacing80

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premier essaie de l evo la semaine derniere rien a dire on sans les changements je suis tres content de la voiture gilles h

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Content de savoir que le châssis marche bien ! Dommage que la marque soit peu répandue par chez nous ...

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Selon les conditions de grip ca peut etre vraiment pénalisant si la voiture ne prend pas assez de roulis... Merci pour le renseignement.

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le retour apres les premiers tours de roues de ed clark avec l'evo

So, had my first run with the evo on the weekend, and have to say, I'm very impressed. Overall seems to have more steering, and carries good corner speed.

Started out with an adapted version of my Mi5 setup, and tried quite a few things through the night. Main issue I had was the initial steering making the car a bit inconsistent. Adding the forward upper brace on the top deck helped a lot with improving the feeling. Also had added on all the wishbone straps, but ended up with just the FF and RR strap on, which also helped to steady the rear end in the lower traction.

Also played with the ackerman settings, and ended up with 3mm of shims to make the toe links straight. I did want to go back and test the kit settings again, but rain stopped play! Next time...

I did manage to do a quick back to back with my Mi5, and, well... the evo was quicker. Factoring in some differences (setup, track condition, etc), was guessing there was around 4/10ths difference, to the evo. I have to admit I was surprised it was that much, especially given the balance of the evo wasn't as good as the 5 at the time of the back-back.

Pretty impressed...Fundamentally think that the setup window of the car is much larger now, as if that is how the car works in low traction, really looking forward to getting onto higher grip, as there is tuning options aplenty still to go!

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Bon, premiers tours de roue avec ma MI5 ce soir sur piste moquette.

Quelques tours avec le setup boîte (à la différence près de l'huile, en 400 sur mon auto vs 350 sur le setup boîte). L'avant est diabolique (ça change du MI4) par contre le train arrière est à la peine, il louvoie. J'ai donc appliqué progressivement les changements pour arriver à quelque chose qui approche le setup base moquette de Chris Grainger (coucher les amortisseurs, ajouter de l'angle aux biellettes de carrossage, élargir la voie arrière) Au final je gagne 1/2 seconde sur un tour mené au même rythme. Le train arrière est plus stable quoique encore un peu joueur. Il faut dire qu'à la fin je n'avais plus du tout de traitement sur mes pneus...

En tout cas la voiture est très agréable à pilotes (beaucoup moins frustrante pour moi que la MI4CXL).

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New Speed Secret Option Parts for the Mi5evo!

This chassis has been designed for high traction conditions, usually carpet, but can be used on treated tarmac tracks or any other surface with high traction. It provides a stiffer car with a lower centre of gravity for better corner speed. Manufactured from 2mm thick, high quality aluminium, with ground edges to improve the smoothness in cornering.

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U4608 - Alloy Chassis - Mi5evo

CNC precision alloy eccentric's for the Mi5evo. Replaces the standard plastic part for greater precision and accuracy when adjusting the belt tension.

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U4610 - Alloy Eccentric - Mi5evo pr

0.5mm Alloy wishbone spacers for the Mi5evo. These are used to precisely adjust the wishbone height off the chassis, otherwise known as roll centre, instead of M3 washers. Also slightly adds stiffness to the area. 8 Pieces supplied, all 0.5mm thickness.

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U4583 - Alloy wishbone spacers - Mi5evo (8pc)

Centre body post set for the Mi5evo, used on high speed circuits where the windscreen and bonnet of the body can deform at high speed.

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U4580 - Centre Body Post Set - Mi5evo

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et so on parlais reglages

Hey all, does any 1 else run indoors on carpet that has tired the mid motor on the evo ? as struggling with it in rear motor compared to the mi5, I can do the lap times I am just on the ragged edge, compared to the ease of the mi5. I wanted to try all setups b4 changing to mid motor but it is proving difficult. we run jb 28 on carpet with med to high coming grip, 13.5 motor boosted, rear end it the biggest issue on breaks change of direction and sweepers,

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Ok, a few suggestions;

Bodyshell - Give the normal Speed6 a try. That's the "goto" shell for carpet racing, and will certainly help to settle the car.

Rear shocks - Hole 4 (one in from outside) seems to work best on the 5e. have tried going back between 3 & 4, but even in higher traction I find 4 better.

Rear end setup - Personally, I think your running the rear roll-centre way too low, with no shims under the arms, and extra shims on the inner links (Bare in mind that 0.5mm shims under the balls is equivilant to a yokomo or tamiya running 0mm under their suspension blocks) I would raise the roll centre back up by going back to kit settings, coupled with the rear shock change.

With the roll centre low, the car is likely to want to roll too deeply into the corner, and then dump it's grip. Hence why your probably felt like it was better in the middle shock hole, as it the shock will stiffen up more into the suspension travel the more laid down it is.

Diff - Try 1000wt, as this will help to lock the rear end a little more. You will gain a little off-power steering, but loose mid & exit. It will grip the rear up basically.

Rear hub plates - try the 2dink if you want the car to tighten up more in the middle of the turn.

Droop - 5.5 F / 4.5 R. Unless I'm running high ride-heights (which your not) then you need to compensate in the droop settings between the two cars. The wishbone end plastics on the 5e are thinner than the 5, so you effectively need to run a higher number on the 5e, to run the same droop as the 5.

In other settings, I'd also look to Yokomo Springs for carpet (Pink F Blue R), but should be able to get much closer with those above changes.

HiH

Ed

Thanks for the reply Ed,

right have dug out a mazda 6 speed shell and have done amost of the settings below but don't have to 2 dink yet, but on changing to the yokomo springs I was struggling to get below 6.5mm ride height on the rear so had to remove a bit from the bottom ball cup to get 5mm. oh and forgot to change the rear shock position on the sheet but its in hole 4, does that look ok as went back to kit settings for carpet ?

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U4711 - Twin Point Steering - Mi5evo

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This new Twin Point Steering system for the Mi5evo has been developed during high end racing activities and testing by Schumacher engineers to provide a smoother more consistent steering feel.

A more consistent car can reduce overall race times!!

This was shown by Elliott Harper in his great 'A' main performance against the Worlds best at the ETS Rd2 in Germany.

The new Twin system includes an innovative lock stop triangle as shown.

Included in the kit are three different sized triangles to adjust the overall lock to tune the car for different track conditions.

U4712 - Diff O-Rings - CAT,KF,KF2,Mi5,Mi5evo

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To fit any Schumacher gear diff is this new 'O' ring seal set. The new range of 'O' rings will improve the seal of the Schumacher gear diff to prevent leakage.

U3814 - Slider Insert - Mi4CX/Mi5 (pk 8)

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After extensive testing we have updated the Mi4CX, Mi5 and Mi5evo diff and spool sliders.

The sliders are made from a new improved material which is harder wearing and has improved slip characteristics.

PTFE Coated. Longer lasting and less rebuilds #Result!!

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AvidRC Schumacher Mi5evo Aluminum Chassis

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The Schumacher Mi5evo Aluminum Chassis is loaded with several unique features which are listed below. We recommend using this chassis to increase performance on high to medium bite conditions.

Details

7075-T6 (2mm) Aluminum anodized black, Avid logo laser etched, and silver edge highlights on both sides.

Cutouts added and existing diff cutouts enlarged to reduce weight and increase flex while being thoughtful to keep enough material on the sides for your speedo to hold with servo tape.

Avid battery mount system included which removes the need to have tape on the bottom of your chassis. Or the optional carbon battery mount system by Schumacher may be utilized with a slight modification. Please contact us for instructions.

Droop inserts included so you won't have to try prying them from your carbon chassis. As per Schumacher's instructions, inserts must be sanded down when used on the thinner 2.0mm aluminum chassis so they don't extend past the chassis.

2mm thickness allows for lower CG and ability to lower roll centers more than stock.

Chassis shape is smoothed to keep droop screw platforms from digging into the track during hard cornering.

Chassis narrowed to 84mm allowing the chassis to roll deeper through a corner.

Recommend for use on high to medium bite conditions.

Includes: 1 aluminum chassis, 4 plastic droop screw mounts, 4 M3x6 screws, 2 Avid battery mounts, and 1 Avid mini-decal.

Instructions

Plastic Droop Screw Insert Modification http://www.avidrc.com/downloads/Instructions_Avid_Schumacher_Droop_Inserts.pdf

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We are pleased to announce new option parts for the Mi5evo.

Firstly a new lightweight more durable front spool.

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One of the main features is that the spool has steel outputs rather than the slider type interface included in the original kit. These will provide a longer life platform with less expense replacing sliders and not forgetting the lower weight...win...win!

All spares available separately.

U4731 - Lite Spool Complete - Mi5 + evo

U4728 - Lite Spool Steel Outputs (pr) - Mi5 + evo

U4729 - Lite Spool Spindle - Mi5 + evo

U1633 - SPEED PACK - Small Pins (pk)

Secondly these super strong steel gear diff outputs.

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Again replacing the slider interface making a more cost effective more durable drive system.

U4730 - Steel Diff Outputs (pr) - Mi5 + evo

With both the spool and diff outputs we recommend using a small amount of either U1300 or U1957 grease on the drive shaft pin/output interface.

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